Tom Dwan Broke
19 Oct
Two years after parting ways with Full Tilt, Tom ‘durrrr’ Dwan is off the poker community’s radar. Several threads with hundreds of posts have been opened on 2+2 forums since then and still no clear answer. Nobody really knows Dwan’s whereabouts and his recent poker history. Is he playing in Macau? What stakes does he play? Why doesn’t he play online anymore? Why doesn’t he play any major live tournaments? Is he broke? Will he finish the Durrrr Challenge? Has he changed his name into Timmy Dean? And what does the notorious violent Macau’s 14K Triad have to do with ‘durrrr’?
There were many rumours about Dwan at this point. He was often seen in the high stakes cash games in Macau, though some wondered if he was broke and being staked by some of the richer players in the game. Others speculated that Dwan was under the control of. Dwan has been off the radar for quite some time now. Hellmuth based his assumption on Tom’s reckless aggression and probably thought that the wizkid who took online poker by storm would end up broke at some point in his young career. Many say he actually is broke since he hasn’t hit the headlines in a.
In other words, lots of question,s and not a lot of clear answers. Luckily though for you Dwan fanboys, here at PokerTube we've done thorough research on the matter, connected the dots and came up with the following answers.
It All Started With...Dan ‘jungleman’ Cates and Black Friday
We all know Dwan was the spoiled wizkid of the poker community at the beginning of the decade. He was crushing the nosebleeds and his confidence was off the charts. He believed in his abilities so strongly that he offered 3:1 odds to anyone who could beat him heads-up over a 50,000 hand span.
That’s when Daniel ‘jungleman’ Cates entered the scene accepting the ‘Durrrr Challenge’ and the odds that were just too good to turn down. The stage was set: if Cates lost, he would have to give Dwan $500,000. If he won, Dwan would have to pay him $1.5 million. The heads-up battle started in 2010 with the two playing around 20,000 hands online. Cates was clearly ahead with an impressive profit of $1.3 million. But the challenge came to a sudden halt in the spring of 2011.
Full Tilt and PokerStars were shut down and the players’ bankrolls were seized by the American authorities. As a result, Dwan and Cates couldn’t continue the challenge.They instead had to look elsewhere in order to get action so they tried out the live games in Las Vegas and Macau. That’s when the first rumors of the million dollar stacks in Macau appeared.
In November 2012, Full Tilt reopened and Cates was eager to finish the challenge and boost his bankroll with $1.5 million. However, Dwan wasn’t into playing online poker anymore probably because the live games were much more soft and rewarding. According to HighStakesDB, ‘‘durrrr’ played under 100,000 hands throughout the course of 2012 and 2013 and only 2,500 were part of the ‘Durrrr Challenge.’
Dwan’s Big Issue with FTP and jungleman
On December 2013, Tom Dwan parted ways with Full Tilt Poker. Two months later, he said in an interview he had a ‘big issue’ with FTP but refused to reveal more. In the upcoming months, he had an even bigger issue with Cates who wanted to finish the $1.5 million challenge. ‘durrrr’ wasn’t that interested although he agreed according to Cates to pay $40,000 for every two months without progress in the challenge. ‘jungleman’ threatened to reveal certain aspects of Dwan's private life and the poker community sided with him. Yet, Dwan was unfazed. His camera appearances were fewer and fewer to the point that nobody knew what was up with him. The only sources of information were his Twitter account, a bunch of social media photos, and the Macau illegal sports betting scandal.
The Triad and the Emergence of 'Timmy Dean'
In the summer of 2014, Paul Phua and his son Darren along with Richard Yong and his son Wai Kin, all friends of Dwan, were arrested in Las Vegas. According to several reports, ‘durrrr’ helped the Phuas cause and paid alongside Phil Ivey and Andrew Robl the $2.5 million bail. He also helped one of Phua’s friends with a place to stay during the trial. And if we also add this Instagram photo to the mix, we can clearly see that Dwan was enjoying himself a year ago:
A photo posted by Jean-Robert Bellande (brokelivingjrb) on
Paying a huge bail? Helping a Macau friend? A house in Las Vegas? Partying with Survivor: China Jean-Robert Bellande? Not that broke, don’t you think? ‘durrrr’ has clearly made some influential friends in Macau while playing the highest stakes. Some reports talk of stakes as high as HKD50,000/HKD100,000 or $6,000/$12,000 with $500,000 and $1,000,000 stacks. Last year, Card Player Latin America reported about HKD200 million ($25 million) winnings for Dwan denied by the American. He posted on 2+2:
Ya this is all bull****. bunch of little facts and a bunch of big ones wrong. nothing like this happened and at the time of this post i was losing on my current macau trip (altho i did do some rungood since).
This was Timmy Dean in early 2014. Yes, that’s right Timmy Dean, the new and improved Tom Dwan. Since Phua was linked with the notorious 14K Triad - one of the largest international criminal organizations in the world with an estimated 25,000 members - Dwan was also a link in the eyes of the poker community. Many joke that the American is the usual ‘white puppet boy’ of the Triad used to entertain and to fill their bank accounts (many suspect he is actually staked by them; there wouldn’t be any other way to play comfortably at those limits). What better way to do that than letting him loose at the poker table? To better Americanize the image of the ‘white boy’, the users played with words coming up with a new name for Dwan: Timmy Dean. They also made countless poems to mark the occasion. One of them sounds like this:
Dim Tim DawnDone Triad wrong
Swim with fishes
All night wong
Dwan Today: More Macau and ‘Durrrr Challenge’
But enough with jokes: where is ‘durrrr’ now? What is he doing? Does he play poker anymore? Of course he does! Do not mind those rumors saying he's broke living in someone’s basement. He’s alive and kicking hard. In May 2015, he was present at the Poker King Club grand opening alongside Ivey, a sign that he’s already a man of the house in Macau.
My fine for being 90minutes late and in sweatpants was a pokerking patch pic.twitter.com/8klfWDamHB
— Tom Dwan (TomDwan) 22 mai 2015
Later in the summer Cates made an interesting announcement on 2+2 saying that he solved his problem with Dwan and the challenge would hopefully be completed in the next nine-months (jungleman posted on July 27, 2015).
We have completed 25k hands roughly. Tom and I have had some disputes but I believe we have essentially resolved them . The challenge is agreed to be played out in the next 9 months (God-willing). I think tom intends on finishing the challenge but has been distracted by things of great importance... In addition Black Friday greatly hindered our progress.
Tom Dwan Broke In Macau
Winfred Yu, President of the Poker King Club also reignited the ‘durrrr’ topic stating in an interview at the APPT9 Manilla about Dwan’s involvement in the highest cash games in the Philippines. He with Cates and Ivey played and may still be playing stakes as high as $5,000/$10,000 Six-Plus Hold'em - same as the classic NLHE only that the 2s, 3s, 4s and 5s are removed from the deck to make the game more about gambling and less about skill.
The Conclusion: Dwan’s still at the poker tables
The short answer to the burning question: What Happened to Tom Dwan? He’s still at the poker tables. Maybe not as we are used to - not in the online environment, his last activity on FT according to HighStakesDB was on December 15, 2013 on 2+2, his last activity was on January 24, 2015 - but definitely on the live green felt.
Celebrity Alert at the Poker King Club: @TomDwan joins in on the fun at the poker tables! Hey Tom! #PokerkingClubpic.twitter.com/bPqfBSUb5Q
— Poker King Club (@PokerKingClub) 9 octombrie 2015
Tom Dwan Broke
As you can see, Tom is still a poker player even if he decided to avoid the scrutiny of the poker community. With a little bit of luck, we may also see him in the upcoming months battling with ‘jungleman’ and finally ending the ‘Durrrr Challenge’ and his online poker career.
Because the juiciest games have gone live in places like Macau.
| Tags: , , . Posted on 16 March 2017 by 'K'. | |
Douglas 'WCGRider' Polk admitted in a video blog a week ago, March 8 Wednesday, that when he was just starting out in the world of pro poker, he idolized Tom Dwan, who was once considered by many as one of the most-feared online cash game players in the world. However, these days, he said he is no longer a big fan. In the video blog, the 28-year-old Polk said that Dwan, who goes by the online nickname “durrrr”, might have an enormous outstanding debt to one of the world’s most successful sports bettors. Polk said that there’s strong “evidence” pointing Dwan as the individual who owes Haralabos Voulgaris a ‘seven-figure’ amount of money. Last year, Voulgaris revealed that a player in the high-stakes poker community has not kept his end of the bargain. At that time, he wouldn’t say the name. But now, the speculation has increased even more after Voulgaris wrote last Tuesday on his Twitter feed: Polk said Voulgaris basically “tweeted a ‘where the f—k is my money?’ statement”. Last month, another poker player, Dan “jungleman” Cates said that Dwan ‘gambled beyond his means’. Cates has been insisting that Dwan recommence their long-dormant “Durrrr Challenge” that would allow Cates to get $1.5 million from a side bet (assuming that Dwan did not show up and beat him in the challenge). Polk said that Cates was “scammed” by Dwan. Watch Polk’s video blog on Youtube: https://youtu.be/wtvXzlskhRA Thanks to TV, Tom Dwan instantly became a poker legend, in which the exposure at the time was able to capture some of his epic hands that featured some of the most brazen bluffs in cash game poker history. Source: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/21419-polk-poker-legend-s-gambling-debts-could-be-larger-than-previously-thought https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/839170306061160449 |
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25 comments on 'Doug Polk: Tom Dwan’s gambling debts could be bigger than previously thought'
pochui | 16/03/2017 21:16:18 GMT | ||
well there you go... hansen, blom now dawn... all of the hyper aggressors are sitting on the toilet crying about the days when they ruled the world... who knows maybe they just played their part in a well organized social engineering scheme, where they were given cash to play stupid style and make random sh1theads believe that this is how poker should be played... then everyone just parted with their money... as usual, 10% of the dudes took cash from remaining 90%. | |||
T3ddyKGB | 16/03/2017 22:04:51 GMT | ||
hahaha that sounds like a conspiracy theory. but you know what.. anything is possible. it wouldnt be such a bad idea to do so. it just doesnt seem to work out, if on the other side sit a rich drunken russian who doesnt care about money and act like: 'wtf, i show you whos got the bigger balls' and calls anyting because he feels provoked | |||
Robbo1990 | 17/03/2017 00:56:55 GMT | ||
1 week late on this 'news'...just wanting something to post? so ill expect sometime next week you will tell us about team pokerstars new pro igor | |||
bowie1984 | 17/03/2017 01:38:18 GMT | ||
I am having a hard time believing that these man have had seven figures to spare/to spend on an addict gambler yet they cannot pay out a fragment of this to a PI to actually find that addicts whereabouts. Idiots all around. | |||
doubletop777 | 17/03/2017 09:02:01 GMT | ||
I think Tom Dwan should be ashamed of himself, if it is him, and pay up. These bets were put on in good faith and should be honored. The amounts are huge and lets hope it gets resolved soon | |||
Gerimantas | 17/03/2017 13:55:34 GMT | ||
Interesting story, I always think that olayers like dwan are really good cash players and that they are just looking for finding rich opponents to make some easy money, but this story shows that thi gs are not so easy for such well known players as dwan | |||
TheIrish77 | 17/03/2017 15:12:49 GMT | ||
I just saw an interview with a pro and he pretty much came out (without mentioning names) and said Tom Dwan owes him 7 figures from him placing bet's through tom on sporting events and never getting paid and him basically not ever responding to him. He seems like a real degenerate from what it sounds like. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt but how many stories can be lies? You're looking very shaky Tom sort yourself out mate. I'll try to find it again | |||
StheP | 17/03/2017 15:21:55 GMT | ||
it wasnt alec torelli... haralabos voulgaris ( dont know if I spelled right...) but he look alike like alec... so I see your mistake... here is video if you wanna see... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtvXzlskhRA | |||
TheIrish77 | 17/03/2017 15:38:11 GMT | ||
Thank you STheP I tried remembering and tried to edit but couldn't remember the guys name. I thought he plays for 10's of millions in Macau ? | |||
StheP | 17/03/2017 17:11:14 GMT | ||
well thats what some people are saiying... but I doubt it... he played couple of tournies there with nice buy ins... but IMO I think that he is staked and that he is in lot of debt... just think about it... why is he gone out of public... he could make some serious $ from sponsors and other stuff... so he must be in lot of debt and hiding... | |||
TheIrish77 | 17/03/2017 18:03:06 GMT | ||
Yeah I think he's really in a bad spot. Possibly owe the triads some cash now ? Playing in Macau wouldn't be surprised. Not worth ruining your name over and never getting a game again. But greed will do that to people. | |||
Mober | 17/03/2017 18:07:01 GMT | ||
Probably he is the only one that knows how high that debt is. Thats just a story confirming that once a professional doesnt mean you will be your entire life successful making millions out of it. There is the other side of the coin too. | |||
StheP | 17/03/2017 18:23:00 GMT | ||
well also he made millions in his time... he has even biggest live pot won... so he was thinking he was invincible... so that effected him IMO and he continue to play with huge confidence and lose all his money IMO... | |||
Tony_MON7ANA | 17/03/2017 21:48:39 GMT | ||
I have done some serious sh*t when I was in my 20s and early 30s. How old is Tom Dwan now? Around 30? He can't continue to live like a spoiled kid forever. Life catches up with him, eventually. | |||
bowie1984 | 18/03/2017 01:40:15 GMT | ||
Life is gonna catch up with everybody sooner or later - the real question is he gonna live long enough to pay these men back or they will just choose it to settle this the old way and set an example out of him. | |||
Tony_MON7ANA | 18/03/2017 02:23:14 GMT | ||
The funny thing is that I didn't think that way 15 or 20 years ago... Well.., actually, I still think I can get away with things I have done in the past. Life is full of unexpected twists and turns, isn't it? | |||
pochui | 18/03/2017 09:41:04 GMT | ||
voulgaris... nice surname, immediately a picture of a dude who spend most of his time with 3+ sets of melons comes out from the back of the spoiled mind, kinda you know, living the vulgar life- pot, vodka and babes... many babes. apostolos dude, don't give any more money to dwan, he's a loser, better just spend your cash on vulgar life and enjoy yourself. | |||
Robbo1990 | 18/03/2017 12:15:09 GMT | ||
guys a bit of a sucker, giving 'dwan' money to place bets on his behalf....after how long do you do that if the guy isnt paying you your winnings, and why not make the bets yourself unless it was illegal - plus its not new so could of happened before dwan went off the grid in macau. also ivey is involved with dwan owing jungleman. nothing else in the world of poker is as mysterious or as captivating as dwan | |||
damosk | 18/03/2017 12:20:17 GMT | ||
So! With a niche in the market why wouldn't someone seek to exploit it for benefit for themselves and hang out to dry those puppets with whom they play their game and let them believe they are better than they are and then when they don't make it leave them handing out to dry. Poker is more than wild bluffs! But then, perhaps this was one of the best! | |||
Mober | 18/03/2017 19:17:30 GMT | ||
There might be more to the story according to what robbo is saying There is also that possibility, which is a bit extreme, placing bets for other people. Which he keeps losing So again why giving someone that unlucky, money, to place bets for you | |||
pajalnick | 18/03/2017 20:15:36 GMT | ||
If you give money for bets or games, then you should understand that winning is certainly possible but not necessary .... it is difficult to understand this story ... as I understood the documents confirming that the money was borrowed no | |||
TheMachineQC | 18/03/2017 23:57:36 GMT | ||
Tom Dwan is broke because he's a nit!! lol I don't even know if these rumors are true. Obviously back in the poker after dark days I'm sure they were gambling a lot of sponsors money more than their own like Pochui said. That helps making big plays. But I don't know. Being agressive can be hard when your big hands don't hold because you take a lot of risks to get these good spots. But yeah most cash games players are a lot better than they were 10 years ago, and people know his style from all the tapes. You have to keep evolving constantly! | |||
bowie1984 | 19/03/2017 02:22:10 GMT | ||
It has to be something like that, this guy is not a massive looser in poker I think, it has to be something other behind the whole thing. | |||
vaskarch23 | 01/04/2017 19:39:52 GMT | ||
is this true or just rumour.. i really wonder | |||
Robbo1990 | 04/04/2017 07:05:44 GMT | ||
i doubt its true as hes been rumoured to of played in million dollar hands and flies around in a private jet. also if he is broke/in debt, he no doubt will find some some millionaire/billionaire to bankroll him for a % phil helmuth says no |